In this monthly conversation series Grant Scott speaks with editor, writer and curator of photography Bill ShapiroIn an informal conversation each month Grant and Bill comment on the photographic environment as they see it. This month they reflect on the importance of saying no to bad clients and unethical jobs.

Bill Shapiro
Bill Shapiro served as the Editor-in-Chief of LIFE, the legendary photo magazine; LIFE’s relaunch in 2004 was the largest in Time Inc. history. Later, he was the founding Editor-in-Chief of LIFE.com, which won the 2011 National Magazine Award for digital photography. Shapiro is the author of several books, among them Gus & Me, a children’s book he co-wrote with Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards and, What We Keep, which looks at the objects in our life that hold the most emotional significance. A fine-art photography curator for New York galleries and a consultant to photographers, Shapiro is also a Contributing Editor to the Leica Conversations series. He has written about photography for the New York Times MagazineVanity Fair, the AtlanticVogue, and Esquire, among others. Every Friday — more or less — he posts about under-the-radar photographers on his Instagram feed, where he’s @billshapiro.

Dr.Grant Scott
After fifteen years art directing photography books and magazines such as Elle and Tatler, Scott began to work as a photographer for a number of advertising and editorial clients in 2000. Alongside his photographic career Scott has art directed numerous advertising campaigns, worked as a creative director at Sotheby’s, art directed foto8magazine, founded his own photographic gallery, edited Professional Photographer magazine and launched his own title for photographers and filmmakers Hungry Eye. He founded the United Nations of Photography in 2012, and is now a Senior Lecturer and Subject Co-ordinator: Photography at Oxford Brookes University, Oxford, and a BBC Radio contributor. Scott is the author of Professional Photography: The New Global Landscape Explained (Routledge 2014), The Essential Student Guide to Professional Photography (Routledge 2015), New Ways of Seeing: The Democratic Language of Photography (Routledge 2019), and What Does Photography Mean To You? (Bluecoat Press 2020). His photography has been published in At Home With The Makers of Style (Thames & Hudson 2006) and Crash Happy: A Night at The Bangers (Cafe Royal Books 2012). His film Do Not Bend: The Photographic Life of Bill Jay was premiered in 2018.

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© Grant Scott 2025


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One response to “PODCAST: A Photographic Conversation with Bill Shapiro: Episode 360 ‘Just Say No!’”

  1. The thing about saying “no” can depend, to a great deal, on your geography. It may make a lot of sense in a place where work abounds (if it still does), such as London, Milano and New York, but those big commercial cities do not represent the broader world out there. I ran my own show from 1966, until round about the end of the 80s (Glasgow, with a permanent move to Mallorca in 1981) and Glasgow never did offer more worthwhile fashion photography than one or two guys could handle on their own; the rest of it simply went down to London for the obvious logistical reasons associated with model agencies and PR companies, unbeatable arguments, not even directly associated with photographers’ fees. Saying “no” simply meant that the work that was available would also find its way south, or just go to the other local guy, end of story.

    As always, much depends on one’s fiscal stability at the time of making such an important call. However, as suggested in the podcast, refusing to let the same dog bite you twice always makes sense.

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