In this monthly conversation series Grant Scott speaks with editor, writer and curator of photography Bill ShapiroIn an informal conversation each month Grant and Bill comment on the photographic environment as they see it. This month they reflect on the death of the magazine industry and editorial photography.

Bill Shapiro
Bill Shapiro served as the Editor-in-Chief of LIFE, the legendary photo magazine; LIFE’s relaunch in 2004 was the largest in Time Inc. history. Later, he was the founding Editor-in-Chief of LIFE.com, which won the 2011 National Magazine Award for digital photography. Shapiro is the author of several books, among them Gus & Me, a children’s book he co-wrote with Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards and, What We Keep, which looks at the objects in our life that hold the most emotional significance. A fine-art photography curator for New York galleries and a consultant to photographers, Shapiro is also a Contributing Editor to the Leica Conversations series. He has written about photography for the New York Times MagazineVanity Fair, the AtlanticVogue, and Esquire, among others. Every Friday — more or less — he posts about under-the-radar photographers on his Instagram feed, where he’s @billshapiro.

Dr.Grant Scott
After fifteen years art directing photography books and magazines such as Elle and Tatler, Scott began to work as a photographer for a number of advertising and editorial clients in 2000. Alongside his photographic career Scott has art directed numerous advertising campaigns, worked as a creative director at Sotheby’s, art directed foto8magazine, founded his own photographic gallery, edited Professional Photographer magazine and launched his own title for photographers and filmmakers Hungry Eye. He founded the United Nations of Photography in 2012, and is now a Senior Lecturer and Subject Co-ordinator: Photography at Oxford Brookes University, Oxford, and a BBC Radio contributor. Scott is the author of Professional Photography: The New Global Landscape Explained (Routledge 2014), The Essential Student Guide to Professional Photography (Routledge 2015), New Ways of Seeing: The Democratic Language of Photography (Routledge 2019), and What Does Photography Mean To You? (Bluecoat Press 2020). His photography has been published in At Home With The Makers of Style (Thames & Hudson 2006) and Crash Happy: A Night at The Bangers (Cafe Royal Books 2012). His film Do Not Bend: The Photographic Life of Bill Jay was premiered in 2018.

Scott’s next book is Inside Vogue HouseOne building, seven magazines, sixty years of stories, Orphans Publishing, is on sale February 2024.

© Grant Scott 2024


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2 responses to “PODCAST: A Photographic Conversation, Episode 304: With Bill Shapiro ”The Death of Editorial Photography Part One””

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    Jon nicholson

    Gosh you really have opened up a can of worms. Love the tea bag story – I’m going to use that. I think that the world of photo books is tricky I have done 17 books and one big one coming out in a few months. I spent 5 years trying to get sponsorship and a publisher. When Thames and Hudson said yes but they needed £100k to do the book I wanted I talk with the brand/sponsor and Mark Holborn who is a good friend and epic editor and we suggested to the brand lets us do it. So it’s happens £300k budget for a 1000 copy book. Persistence keep your eye on the prize. But how sad that another pal Ian Berry had to crowd fund his 30year work on water so that GOST could publish! 100 pics… tragic. So even the small trendy publishers want cash. I think the key is distribution and if a brand can distribute and sell hooray or if the photographer has a good reputation and sell 500 copies keep print cost down hooray. It’s a long game. I gave up editorial work when conde Nast asked for all Copyright and paid £100 a page. But as with this book employ a publicist who can get the editorial coverage. Bring back the darkroom chats with colleagues where we all can talk constructively about the industry…. gosh I could go on. Hope part two is slightly more positive 🤷‍♂️ for the slightly older photographers. Thanks Jon.

    1. A lot that you reference is covered in my Inside Vogue House book. The next episode will offer a future but it will not necessarily be positive for magazine lovers…

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