In this monthly conversation series Grant Scott speaks with art director, lecturer and creative director Fiona HayesIn an informal conversation each month Grant and Fiona comment on the photographic environment as they see it through the exhibitions, magazines, talks and events that Fiona has seen over the previous weeks.

Mentioned in this episode:
https://thephotographersgallery.org.uk/whats-on/boris-mikhailov-ukrainian-diary
www.npg.org.uk/whatson/exhibitions/2025/cecil-beaton/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLjkQyp2Bjk
www.saatchigallery.com/exhibition/futurespective

Fiona Hayes
Fiona Hayes is an art director, designer, consultant and lecturer with over 30 years’ experience in publishing, fashion and the art world. She has been a magazine art director ten times: on PunchCompanyEve, the British and Russian editions of CosmopolitanHouse & Garden,GQ India (based in Mumbai), MyselfGermany (in Munich), and Russian Vogue (twice). Between 2013 and 2019, as Art Director of New Markets and Brand Development for Condé Nast International, based in London and Paris, she oversaw all the company’s launches – 14 magazines, including seven editions of Vogue. She still consults as Design Director at Large for Vogue Hong Kong. In 2002 she founded independent photography magazine DayFour, publishing it continuously until 2012. She is Co-Author and Art Director of The Fashion Yearbook, and creative director of books for South African media consultancy Legacy Creates. Outside the publishing world, she has been Art Director of contemporary art auction house Phillips de Pury in London and New York, and Consultant Art Director of Russian luxury retail group Mercury/TSUM. (Fiona would like to point out she is not Russian: she is proudly Irish and studied Visual Communication and History of Art and Design at NCAD Dublin.) She currently divides her time between design consultancy for commercial clients, and lecturing at Oxford Brookes University, the Condé Nast College of Fashion and Design, London, Nottingham Trent University, Ravensbourne University, and Leeds University. She lives in West London. @theartdictator

Dr.Grant Scott
After fifteen years art directing photography books and magazines such as Elle and Tatler, Scott began to work as a photographer for a number of advertising and editorial clients in 2000. Alongside his photographic career Scott has art directed numerous advertising campaigns, worked as a creative director at Sotheby’s, art directed foto8magazine, founded his own photographic gallery, edited Professional Photographer magazine and launched his own title for photographers and filmmakers Hungry Eye. He founded the United Nations of Photography in 2012, and is now a Senior Lecturer and Subject Co-ordinator: Photography at Oxford Brookes University, Oxford, and a BBC Radio contributor. Scott is the author of Professional Photography: The New Global Landscape Explained (Routledge 2014), The Essential Student Guide to Professional Photography (Routledge 2015), New Ways of Seeing: The Democratic Language of Photography (Routledge 2019), and What Does Photography Mean To You? (Bluecoat Press 2020). His photography has been published in At Home With The Makers of Style (Thames & Hudson 2006) and Crash Happy: A Night at The Bangers (Cafe Royal Books 2012). His film Do Not Bend: The Photographic Life of Bill Jay was premiered in 2018.

Scott’s next book is Inside Vogue HouseOne building, seven magazines, sixty years of stories, Orphans Publishing, is on sale now wherever you buy your books.

Image: Boris Mikhailov

©Grant Scott 2025


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2 responses to “PODCAST: A Photographic Life, Episode 393: See/Saw with Fiona Hayes ‘Cecil Beaton, Boris Mikhailov and Ukraine Futurespective’”

  1. Hello Grant. I have been listening to a Photographic Life for years now and have almost caught up on any shows I may have missed. Today, I listened to episode 393 with Fiona Hayes and her review of the Cecil Beaton show. Either I have changed, or you have, or maybe we both have, but I have found your conversation style more aggressive of late. Clearly you are not a fan of Beaton’s, and that is fine, but the way you kept interrupting Fiona bordered on rudeness and misogyny to me. I don’t see your style that way with Bill Shapiro, but I do with Fiona. Granted, I may be more sensitive to how males treat women than they do men. Anyway, I found myself cringing each time you interrupted and discounted what Fiona was trying to say. It is taking the enjoyment out of your podcasts for me. Thanks for listening and of course, take care. (I love that you end the podcasts that way).

    1. Thanks for the support and feedback Nancy. I have known Fiona for 36 years and therefore as friends and fellow creatives we often have passionate and combative conversations on the podcast and in real life. I am certainly not a misogynist as my support of women photographers, designers and writers over the last forty years evidences. I also suggest you listen to more of my conversations with Bill particularly concerning Instagram to see how combative but also mutually respectful they are as they are with Fiona. I have no issue with Beaton and enjoy much of his work I was merely questioning his relevance today and the need for another exhibition of his work. I’m glad you enjoy the podcast. It has evolved as we evolve and it is a reflection of that evolution but it is always based on mutual respect. Best wishes Grant

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